23b: The 5th Year (Saccaka) – 807
be proper to consider that this corporeality, which is impermanent, suffering
and subject to change as: ‘This corporeality is mine through clinging, this
corporeality is I through conceit, or this is self through wrong view?” – “Saccaka
answered: “Gotama, it is indeed not proper.”
“Wanderer Saccaka, what do you think of this? Is sensation permanent or
impermanent? Is perception permanent or impermanent? Are volitions
permanent or impermanent? Saccaka, how do you think of the question that I
am about to ask. Are the six kinds of consciousness permanent or impermanent?”
Saccaka answered: “Ven. Gotama they are impermanent.” – “That which is
impermanent, is it suffering or pleasant?” – “It is suffering, Gotama.” Would it
be proper to consider the six kinds of consciousness, which are impermanent,
suffering and subject to change as: ‘This consciousness is mine through clinging,
this consciousness is I through conceit, this consciousness is self through wrong
view.” Saccaka answered: “Gotama, it is indeed not proper.”
Just as an expert snake charmer caused the snake concerned to suck its venom
out of the bitten part of the body of the victim, even so the Buddha had caused
Saccaka to admit, by his own mouth, the fact that the five aggregates (
khanda
)
are impermanent, suffering and insubstantial,
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and not permanent, pleasant
and substantial as he had previously maintained by the word of his mouth and in
the presence of the same audience, which comprised the Licchavī princes.
The venom, that is, the false view of the soul (
atta
), which had appeared
out of the mouth of Saccaka, he made to be sucked out by the same mouth
of Saccaka and an admission to be uttered that it is not self (
anatta
), in the
presence of the audience.
In this manner the Buddha had Saccaka definitely admit that the five aggregates
are impermanent, suffering and insubstantial in the presence of throngs of
people, and being desirous of subduing him to accept the truth with his head
hanging down, the Buddha went on to ask: “Heretic Saccaka, how would you
like the question that I am about to ask? When a person clings to suffering
(
dukkha
), adheres to suffering, cleaves to suffering and considers the suffering
of the fivefold aggregates as: ‘This suffering is mine through clinging; this
suffering is I through conceit and this suffering is self through wrong view,’
could he himself accurately understand suffering? Could he abide in the
complete cessation of suffering?”