23b: The 5th Year (Saccaka) – 806
Then the Buddha warned him: “Saccaka, think it over again, ponder over it
again before you give an answer. What you have said before does not agree with
what you have just
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said; and what you have just said does not agree with
what you said before. They do not corroborate one another,” and he proceeded
to ask: “Saccaka, how do you like the question I am about to ask? You have said:
‘Perception is self.’ If so, do you have power over that perception and can you
say: ‘Let my perception be thus; let my perception be not thus?’ ” Saccaka
replied: “Honourable Gotama, I do not have the power.”
Then the Buddha warned him: “Saccaka, think it over again, ponder over it
again before you give an answer. What you said before does not agree with what
you have just said; and what you have just said does not agree with what you
said before. They do not corroborate one another,” and he proceeded to ask:
“Saccaka, how do you like the question I am about to ask? You have said:
‘Volitions are self.’ If so, do you have power over those volitions and can you
say: ‘Let my volitions be thus; let my volitions be not thus?’ Saccaka replied:
“Honourable Gotama, I do not have the power.”
Then the Buddha warned him: “Saccaka, think it over again, ponder over it
again before you give an answer. What you said before does not agree with what
you have just said; and what you have just said does not agree with what you
said before. They do not corroborate one another,” and he proceeded to ask:
“Saccaka how do you like the question I am about to ask? You have said: ‘The
sixfold consciousness is self.’ If so, do you have power over that sixfold
consciousness and can you say: ‘Let my sixfold consciousness be thus; let my
sixfold consciousness be not thus?’ Saccaka replied: “Honourable Gotama, I do
not have the power.”
Then the Buddha warned him: “Saccaka, think it over again, ponder over it
again before you give an answer. What you said before does not agree with what
you have just said; and what you have just said does not agree with what you
said before. They do not corroborate one another.”
The Buddha continued to exhort Saccaka by expounding a discourse which
involves questioning and answering three times (
te-parivatta-dhamma-
desanā
).”
“Saccaka what do you think of this? Is corporeality permanent or impermanent?”
Saccaka answered: “Impermanent, Gotama.” – “That which is impermanent, is it
suffering (
dukkha
) or pleasant (
sukha
)?” – “It is suffering, Gotama.” – “Would it