23b: The 5th Year (Saccaka) – 803
Saccaka was thus pressed to repeat his own view: “Honourable Gotama ….
Indeed, I do say: ‘Corporeality is self, feelings are self, perception is self,
volitions are self, the sixfold consciousness is self.”
After causing Saccaka to explain his own view, the Buddha proceeded to ask:
“Saccaka, since you have admitted that the fivefold aggregates are self, I will
ask you in turn about this. Answer me as you wish. Saccaka, what do you think
of the question I am about to ask? Would an anointed king like Pasenadi Kosala,
or the crowned King Ajātasattu, ruler of Magadha, son of Queen Vedehi, have
the power in their respective realm to order the execution of one deserving to be
put to death, to order the confiscation of one whose property deserves to be
confiscated and to banish one deserving of banishment?”
In answer to the above question, Saccaka replied: “Honourable Gotama, a king
like Pasenadi Kosala, or the crowned King Ajātasattu, ruler of Magadha, son of
Queen Vedehi, have the power in their respective realm to order the execution
of one deserving to be put to death, to order the confiscation of one whose
property to be confiscated and to banish one deserving of banishment. O
honourable Gotama, even those federations like the Vajjis or Mallas have power
in their respective realm to order the execution of one deserving to be put to
death, to order the confiscation of one whose property deserves to be
confiscated and to banish one deserving of banishment. What more need we say
of an anointed king such as King Pasenadi of Kosala or King Ajātasattu of the
kingdom of Magadha, the son of Queen Vedehi? He would have the power,
Gotama, he deserves to have the power.”
The Buddha had purposely brought Saccaka to state this in order to
completely crush his self theory (
atta-vāda
). Saccaka being unwise had
even gone to the extent of “sharpening the weapon meant for his own
execution,” by mentioning the governments of the Vajjis and Mallas in
support of his statement.
“Saccaka, how do you like the question I am about to ask? You have said:
‘Corporeality is self.’ If so, can you cause that self to obey your words, saying:
‘Let my corporeality be thus; let my corporeality not be thus?’ When the Buddha
asked in such a point blank manner, Saccaka remained completely silent.
Saccaka had discovered his grave mistake. He thought to himself: “The
ascetic Gotama had brought about the destruction of my view. I was
foolish enough to have created a chance for ascetic Gotama to defeat me